Friday, December 12, 2008

Whose Numbers Are Right?

In a recent post, Okie Funk states that U.A.W. workers make an average of $55 an hour while foreign-owned plant workers make an average of $45 an hour. He cites the New York Times as his source.

However, in a recent post supplied to me by Muskogee Politico it states that workers for Ford make an average of $70.51 an hour, GM workers $73.26 an hour and Chrysler workers an average of $75.86 while workers for Toyota, Honda and Nissan average about $48.00 an hour. He cites Forbes magazine as his source.

All of these hourly wages, by the way, include wages AND benefits.

The question I have is, whose numbers are right? Who are we to believe?

Doc Hoc says we should not place the responsibility of the problems in Detroit on the auto workers. Personally, I think we should not blame them entirely but they should accept partial responsibility. They are still making a hell of a lot more money than most teachers make in a year. It does not seem right to me that someone that never went to college a day in their life (or might have even dropped out of high school) has a job making twice, sometimes three times as much as a person who worked hard to finish college and get a job teaching and shaping our young minds.

Just my opinion though. What do you think?


  1. Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour.

    That doesn't include healthcare and pension costs


  2. What is your source for these numbers?

  3. Skye is right. See my previous comment on the not as pro-union post citing factcheck for more on this. The link is here:

    There are many people opposed to the bailout, but a small group of union haters are taking this opportunity to bash on the UAW using erroneous numbers.

    If you desire, you can see my post on the matter here:

  4. The pensions kill the auto companies, but so do the execs. Their little "excursion" to DC the first time could have been better spent. The companies are wasteful, produce wasteful vehicles and do not practice adaptive management. They need some major reform-- as an entire industry!

  5. Oh I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree that the unions are the entire cause of the problem. I think that the corrupted CEOs are an even bigger problem. Those crooks need to accept some smaller salaries and I would even go so far as to say the men currently holding those positions need to be given other employment opportunities.

    Let the companies start over from scratch with men that are not as crooked and will take less money for the good of the country and the good of their companies.