Wednesday, May 27, 2009

All Men Created Equal

I read a post today on the blog of the NW Progressive that brought up an interesting point.

The interesting point that is brought up has to do with how after all this time after the ratification of the Constitution we still as a people have a hard time fulfilling the spirit and vision of the document.

Specifically with the preamble:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
So with the passage of Proposition 8 in California, and the various states around the nation that do not allow same-sex marriage, are we saying that perhaps we aren't all equal? Are we saying that like the argument used against the black people years ago that they are equal but we (white people) are more equal?

By telling these people that because they are homosexual, they have less rights than those who are not? 

These laws that are being passed, it seems to me, are giving the very loud message that homosexuals are exempt from liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


  1. First... homosexuals are allowed to marry... but since the legal definition of marriage is between a man and a woman... they would have to marry the opposite sex... and nobody is preventing them from this. It is their choice not to marry the opposite sex.

    If you take CIVIL UNIONS into account... this provides homosexuals with all equal opportunity requirements since Marriage is legally defined as that being between a man and a woman... civil unions provide equal opportunity for gay couples to in effect be legally a couple with all the benefits of traditional marriage without compromising the legal definition of marriage.

    Just as a man can't play in the LPGA... because it's the LADIES PRO GOLF ASSN.
    However he can play in the PGA.
    Equal opportunity.... see?

  2. So we are talking about a matter of a word.

    I guess my question is what makes the definition of a word "legal"?

    I see what you are getting at here Red I just find it kind of silly that this whole issue is over a word.

  3. "Legal" as in the legal definition(s)... which are kinda important otherwise I could use my fishing license to drive an 18 wheeler and my marriage license to fish with.

  4. Bottom line... civil unions provide equal protection so changing the definition of marriage is not an issue nor necessary.

  5. I agree. Civil unions provide ample equal rights.


    If changing the definition of the word "marriage" is not an issue, why are you so opposed to it?

  6. I said it should not be an issue because changing the meaning isn't necessary.

    Let's change the meaning of the word "church" to mean any gathering of people whether religion is involved or not... no problem right... except we've just granted tax-exempt status to everyone who belongs to such a group or "church".

    Words have meaning for a reason and there are always unintended consequences with every change.

    Once you destroy the meaning of the definition of marriage... then you have granted the right for 6 people to marry... why only 2 (equal protection) and so on and on.

    That's why I oppose it. It is not necessary and is only being used to destroy not build.

  7. well then. i suppose if the "legal definition" of the word marriage is union between one and one woman, than the same sex couples should just be happy with the word civil union.

  8. I think so... providing Civil Unions meet the legal criteria and satisfies the same thing as traditional marriage to their satisfaction.

  9. Unfortunately, I don't those the reformers, or whatever you want to call them, are happy with civil unions only.

  10. If the government only issued civil unions, then there would be no issue. Unfortunately there are those, on both sides, hung up on the word marriage and thus their inability to see reason and common sense is pushing this issue to be the combative waste of time that it is. As I said before, legalize it and let's move on.